How are Light Tanks more powerful than Heavy Tanks?

  • Am I the only one who find strange light tanks in TGW are shown as overpowered in firepower in comparison with the heavy tank?


    I mean, I've got the french Renault FT is considered the best WWI tank against the british Marks, but in firepower, "male" Marks cannons do more damage than FT. :rolleyes:

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  • I get the faster part, not the stronger one.


    At least in specifications (and correct me if I'm wrong), FT's cannon was 37 mm, against Mark's 57, Mark's also had better armor.


    Of course, disregarding those two features and evaluating overall, FT was better tank.

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  • I forget who it was but somebody from the much higher ups in Bytro once said, and I am paraphrasing...


    "We don't care about historical accuracy, we care about playability."

    Playability-wise, people expects light tanks with features other than just being an overpowered heavy tank.


    In the current situation, heavy tanks can be removed from TGW altogether because they are clearly unnecessary. Armored Cars can comply with the needs in the battlefield in defensive while you save resources for investments in light tanks and investments in other heavy armor weapons (thanks to savings in chemicals and metals). Needless to say, less redundant options will improve playability whatsoever.

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  • it's not as strong as it seems on paper. Yes, maybe 3 times better than cavalry, but it has the same disadvantages as her. I still stay heavy.

    Artillery is a serious enemy for them, and many units that easily counter light armor.


    heavy tanks are good versus light, as they are a universal (good for def and atack) unit and have massive damage vs light armor.

  • it's not as strong as it seems on paper. Yes, maybe 3 times better than cavalry, but it has the same disadvantages as her. I still stay heavy.

    Artillery is a serious enemy for them, and many units that easily counter light armor.


    heavy tanks are good versus light, as they are a universal (good for def and atack) unit and have massive damage vs light armor.


    How exactly is better?



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  • You only look at simple statistics and level 1.


    Heavy tanks

    + heavy armor (hard to smash at the beginning, look at the flamethrower how hard it is to overcome)

    + universal. Can easily be used for defense.

    + artillery is not scary for him. (only howitzer)

    - smaller hp, slower


    Light tanks

    + somehow has a lot of hp.

    + good damage against light armor, that's all

    + fast

    - the same problems as cavalry. It will eventually lose so much hp that it's easy to turn it off

    - a great target for artillery and bombers.


    I don't associate modifiers for terrain, but it seems to be heavy it works better in different areas.



    All of yours and even my experience is related to beating bots. if the 84-person map has at least 5 active players after 5 days it is good (even on English servers) Therefore, unfortunately, I do not play, but I watch development.


    Plus the player didn't let (smarter) drive the tank, and experience with old supre and CoW provides great forces on artillery and flying units.


    At first glance, it seems a OP units, but in practice ... meh

  • you do not look kat speed Oktan

    so I am guessing you excel in smashing big stacks against big stack


    off players look for quick units to utilize breakthrough , severe logistic lines, destroy reinforcements and conquer factories. LT is 2 * better at that.

  • you do not look kat speed Oktan

    so I am guessing you excel in smashing big stacks against big stack


    off players look for quick units to utilize breakthrough , severe logistic lines, destroy reinforcements and conquer factories. LT is 2 * better at that.

    If anyone allows themselves to break the front line and seize factories, cites they are long past him. For this even a cavalry is enough.

    I think on the front against another player. From experience from the old supre and Cow, I know that artillery, and especially here, can handle the LT slightly.


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    so I am guessing you excel in smashing big stacks against big stack

    what do you mean exactly?

  • I mean like in supre and cow


    you gather all best units in one stack an go against enemy hoping he will do the same and oppose you with his best stack.

    is it so?


    there is another way of fighting strategy games and it is called war of manoeuvres , where you try to outmanoeuvre slower defensive units with faster offensive units. something like france 1940 in Ardennes where german smashed quickly knowing allies will not be able to shift their armies from south and from benelux to stop them. smaller but faster army outmanoeuvred bigger and slower one, cut it in half took important provs and forced capitulation.

  • even in def LT is better... owned

    That's the point: LT could be able to defeat HT even in defensive thanks to LT's big amount of hitpoints (?)


    It makes sense that LT can defeat HT thanks to their firepower and speed, but not in an endurance battle.


    Clearly, once LT is enabled, you don't need HT in the match anymore, because LT provides you with all the HT features, but improved. And, in that way, you can invest in many other worthful heavy weapons.

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  • Ok, I can agree speed matters, especially in a game that is 2-3x faster than CoW or old Supre. (I've never been in favor of playing faster because it's not for me)

    I think the heavy tank is still stuck. In pvp bigger than in the fight against bots.


    maybe one day we will find out, but I will not say the first impression from the statistics, vs AI, overpower LT is insane


    Forgive me for replying every few days, watching only this game, I stopped playing because of the lack of people and the bad mechanics morale province

  • How exactly is better?





    You shouldn't compare lvl1 of units that unlock at different days of game.


    The Light Tank for example is balanced to be as strong & expensive as lvl2-3 of a Heavy Tank, because the Light Tank unlocks at a later day and also has less levels overall (LT: 4, HT: 5). Light Tank lvl1 also needs a higher building level for production. Level 2 heavy tank should already beat a level 1 Light Tank.


    The idea behind is that you can immediately switch your strategy to producing the new units without the need to first research lower and weaker levels of these units, because for these later units you basically skip 1-2 research levels.


    Comparing the maximum level of each unit is a better comparison for units of different days. Still units unlocked at later days are a tiny bit better on max level overall.


    Please also note that units which are good in both def and off have usually lower peaks. But if you add up both off and def values they are competitive.