Critical issues about the Frontline Map when compared with Legacy.

  • Oh I have far more arguments to justify the historical accuracy of countries trading armaments but the difficulty is that you are being willfully obtuse and therefore there is no argument.

  • Oh I have far more arguments to justify the historical accuracy of countries trading armaments but the difficulty is that you are being willfully obtuse and therefore there is no argument.

    Obtuse? I'm not the one who's recurring to images with cats to avoid replying about the issue of trade of armaments AND soldiers and how unrealistic is that...

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  • well to fisnih that: look at Halliburn, Blackwaters, Accademy

    Same for condotierre and mercenaries in years


    they do not have alliance to anything but money

    it does not matter if you are french or Russian

    you are paid- you fight


    if you pay for years like Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan , then troops fight there for decades till they are dead

  • Obtuse? I'm not the one who's recurring to images with cats to avoid replying about the issue of trade of armaments AND soldiers and how unrealistic is that...

    Cat soldiers are no more fantastic than these invisible magical soldiers you seem to imagine accompanying the mech items in this game. IF we're realistic, could not the magical soldiers you're "seeing" go home and more magical soldiers from the receiving country take over from them?

  • Even mercenaries are gone once a war is over. That didn't happen with troops trade: once traded, those troops were yours forever.


    You continue quoting a lot of examples that doesn't really fit with the concept used for troops trading. The closer thing for that are soldiers serving for more than one army or serving for a foreign army (Adolf Hitler, Lauri Törni, Alpo Martinnen). What's more, the closest thing are the Foreign Legions (French, Spanish, etc.) but, again, recruits didn't arrive by government orders nor have their nationality stripped (although some countries did establish that rule) nor had any problem to retire from those armies once their service was made.

    I guess we can ban trading infs, but all other units should be tradable

    simple bolean ( is inf or not) will do :-)


    Demonaire happy with his arguments while we have what we need to stop cheaters

    No, because, as I explained Furry (explanation he couldn't understand), you not only trade armaments: you also trade the operators.


    And coming back to the mechanical issues (the ones matters more here whatsoever), I repeat what I said before: features aren't made for the ones who break the rules, but the ones who follow them, and there is no way to avoid the cheaters also use troops trade. And about that, I could argue those cheaters made a better work using that troops trade than you, considering devs prefered to ban that trade instead of using it to fight against cheaters.


    Greetings.

    Demonaire
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  • tbh I always saw infantry trade more as trade of small arms and equipment, during my RP's

    Which is ironic, since that trade save you from paying 20 tons of grain by the upkeep per unit.


    I mean, since when is a cannon feeded with bread?8o

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  • Which is ironic, since that trade save you from paying 20 tons of grain by the upkeep per unit.


    I mean, since when is a cannon feeded with bread?8o

    I guess someone has to fire that cannon

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HA8kSdsf_M


    Soldiers!

    don't give yourselves to brutes

    men who despise you

    enslave you

    who regiment your lives

    tell you what to do

    what to think and what to feel!

    Who drill you

    diet you

    treat you like cattle,

    use you as cannon fodder.

    Don't give yourselves to these unnatural men

    machine men with machine minds and machine hearts!


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  • Which is ironic, since that trade save you from paying 20 tons of grain by the upkeep per unit.


    I mean, since when is a cannon feeded with bread?8o

    Well I fire the soldier that used to use those small arms offcourse ;). Why would I keep around a unarmed soldier?

  • Well I fire the soldier that used to use those small arms offcourse ;). Why would I keep around a unarmed soldier?

    The question is: you can't fire him, you ought to transfer him. Which, at its turn, returns us back to the problem of transfering soldiers' nationality as if it's nothing.


    Had the artillery costs only the 5 oil as upkeep, you would have to be right.

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  • The question is: you can't fire him, you ought to transfer him. Which, at its turn, returns us back to the problem of transfering soldiers' nationality as if it's nothing.


    Had the artillery costs only the 5 oil as upkeep, you would have to be right.

    you could also say the upkeep is the upkeep to keep then clean, store them , storage employees? I still think of trading units as trading the arms they used. Storing weapons isn't free either just like storing any other goods. In the industry knowns as storage risks and storage costs.

  • Which is ironic, since that trade save you from paying 20 tons of grain by the upkeep per unit.


    I mean, since when is a cannon feeded with bread?8o

    Okay, this has got to be one of the silliest arguments justifying the removal of trading units.


    Let's propose an arms trade step by step, shall we?


    In a match, German Empire would like to buy 10 Artillery units from America (doesn't matter which one, choose one)


    America agrees and the trade is agreed 20,000 Silver for 10 Artillery units.


    The moment the trade is done, here is what has happened.


    German Empire has sent over men to receive the artillery units and German Empire is now paying 200 units (you are assuming tons) of grain per day along with 50 units of Oil per day.


    The moment the transaction is completed the imaginary, invisible American men attached to the artillery pieces are relieved of their duties in helping transfer the hardware and go home to be replaced by imaginary, invisible German men.


    Ergo, the need for German empire to NOW pay 200 units of grain per day for the artillery units. America NO LONGER is paying 200 units of grain or 50 units of oil for upkeep of 10 artillery pieces they have sold.

  • Bytro wants it but can't handle the tickets and cheaters who use it. In my time I've seen a lot of features go because they were abused...

  • that is a problem with cheaters, multis, friendpacks ,wolfpacks,sitters and account-pushing


    not with a feature itself. tbh that feature was the only means to fight all above but now is gone and we are on mercy of groups from above. unless someone will spawn you golden army from a good hearth.



    ie decision to release all exploits was a very good one as for 10 years noone could handle them properly while the cheaters were free to use them without any responsibility. Now, when everyone is abel to sue them and community learns them - people are more capable of fighting cheaters on their own.


    It would be the same with sharing troops as this gives common users edge in fighting cheaters.


    Same comes to sitters- users need means to fight them as I havent seen single sitter banned despite I have reported over 30. System similar to other games , where people are not limited by personal activity, should be introduced too.

  • It's an continious battle with no right or wrong. So we're bount to opinions. and inthe end the opinion of bytro is the one that leads. same reason why pictures in newspapers were removed, why the new games don't have custom flags, ... Endless battle